Thanks for your feedback and also thanks to Bigfoot for pointing you to this thread, he is doing a great job of supporting people here on the forums. Sorry for my "strong" comments above; they were meant to get your attention
First time I hear this.Not only the community is a mess in Ubuntu. Debian people, who know their stuff, reject helping on Ubuntu (it's NOT Debian!), and Ubuntu community people are largely clueless on technical stuff. Their process is largely driven by Canonical and they barely contribute to Linux at all.
But if Ubuntu does not work for you there are other Long Term Support distributions (Centos, Debian,...). BTW, OpenMediaVault seems to be doing great on Debian, with GUIs Amahi can only dream of for Greyhole, Snapraid,... (I'll consider moving to this as Amahi is now focused on no LTS support).
But you choose Fedora: only 13 months support, minus Amahi usually releases ~6 months after Fedora releases = ~ only 7 months security fixes & updates for Amahi (and I'm not even repeating the case of the many applications that are dropping Fedora RPM packages availability as soon as Fedora reaches End Of Life).
This does not cut it for a SERVER, but even more so, you are making it the main network ROUTER !
How can you even say something like this, especially as you are a sever software Project Lead?In any case, I don't get why people are so obsessed with security patches when Amahi systems are run behind a firewall. Only once in the history of Amahi we had to release one security update. It was a DNS server bug where updates on the internet side of DNS server could potentially creep into the local DNS server. But even then, it was extremely remote that anything could come into a private network. Your server will continue running for years and years if you let it run!
Amahi is not only a server, you are also making it the default ROUTER! It is connected to the internet unattended 24h/24. People are using it for a lot of different things, to make media available via the internet, to run web apps, databases, etc.. etc...
Vulnerabilities are exposed all the time (SQL injections, root exploits, ....). Ubuntu & Fedora are getting security fixes at least 4 or 5 times per week, if not every day.
The news are talking about professionally maintained corporate servers getting hacked every day (we are not just taking about a firewall here). Even the NSA, the pentagon, the FBI are getting their servers hacked. But you - as Amahi SERVER Project Lead - think that because you have a firewall you don't need security fixes ? This is madness.
To the contrary of Fedora, Ubuntu is available commercially , used in corporate environments, it's also the linux platform of choice for many manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, etc...).The bottom line is that Fedora, their repos, packages, etc. are managed professionally and, as hard as it is, Ubuntu is nowhere near the level of professionalism and execution as Fedora.
It has great support, but you who are saying you don't need security fixes for an online sever, are saying it is not "professionally managed" ? Come on...
As said above, there is absolutely NOTHING professional about choosing Fedora as an online SERVER OS. Of course it is backed by RedHat expertise, but this doesn't change the fact that it only remains a test ground for them, with a 13 month limited life time, of which Amahi only uses about ~7.
Ubuntu Amahi is working great here. So, I guess you are talking about porting the new implementation you have with Fedora 19.We tried it at great effort and we mostly made it work.
Good to hear.If we have Ubuntu contributors, we will support the next LTS.
So, this seems to be the problem you are facing: Unfortunately, it looks like no knowledgeable IT professionals are interested in investing time in Amahi. Which leaves it open only to contributions from home users with little professional experience who mainly like Fedora (otherwise they would not make Fedora widely available as a server distribution, with only ~7 month life time, AND furthermore disabling Fedora security updates, etc...).
Bottom of the page you are linking to:That said, some things are changing in this area at RedHat. They started a new server initiative and they reached to the Amahi community to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server
Maybe something comes out of it. Also, RedHat acquiring CentOS may bring changes in this area as well.
Q: does more server orientation mean an extended lifetime too?
A: no, extended lifetime is covered by the derivates like RHEL, CentOS, etc.
I think this sums it up....
cpg, thanks for taking the time to discuss this. Even if you don't agree, it is important for Amahi to consider this issue. You guys have done a great job with making Amahi an easy to set up server for the home user. Now we just need to make sure we are having Long Term distribution support.